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? >> chris, there's a lot of technological advances from the old days of, you know, the mugshot photo book. certainly there's facial recognition software. all of those techniques, you know, advanced techniques will be used in this case. and i agree with the other comments made that it's not going to take long for somebody to recognize these people. >> yeah, there's an interesting database, chris, ever since 2003, we've been taking photographs and digital fingerprints of people coming into this country under u.s. visit. i think there are over 80 million digital photographs there. i just don't know. maybe one of your guests will tell whether or not the fbi -- >> how many? >> 80 million. everybody who's come across at an airport internationally, we have fingerprints and a digital photograph. >> everyone who has gone internationally -- >> no, everybody who's come into the united states. >> as a visitor. >> as a visitor. under u.s. visit. we got their digital photograph and we have their -- a couple fingerpri fingerprints. >> wouldn't they match that up if they have these visual images? >> i do
2001, what have we learned about investigating these sorts of incidents? and even the technology itself, as it improved significantly since then? >> it really has. and i would say on almost every front, the improvements are really significant. what we have defended against extremely effectively, is a large-scale catastrophic attack like what we saw on 9/11. and these sorts of things, our intelligence, our coordination on investigation, across agencies, between the federal and local government, are vastly better. our technology for detecting explosives and follow-up investigations, vastly better. these sorts of attacks, as tragic as it was. 3 people killed, over 100 wounded, there's still of a relatively small scale. again, it's not surprising to me that you could have an attack like this and not see information either from the fbi or overseas, that was international terrorism, indicating there might be some threat, either generally or pointed at boston. the level of professionalism and understanding of how now to investigate this and the level of coordination, is markedly better. that w
than that. technology is advanced. they're going the start as close as possible to the event, to the explosions and move out from there. so, my nat data first and then slowly but surely, they'll get through the rest of those photos and video. over time, but it will be weeks. they will have a better sense of what might be connected to other factors, like the bags that they think carried the bombs. so i think it's great, get this now, because it's difficult to be preserved. >> is this, is that an approach that has evolved over the past 12 years? is that not the way they would have approached this before 9/11? before we had this huge investment in intelligence since then? >> first, we simply didn't have access to all this video and photo technology that is ubiquitous today. there are far more video cameras, hoemts and restaurants and people are walking around with iphones. the second is a much greater ability to deal with these massive amounts of data and the technology there has improved and the u.s. government and the intelligence community has been on the forefront. >> is the
the digital technology with the phone company how many calls were being made at the moment that 9 photograthe photograph w. there may be some process of elimination. some of the other calls could be further out. there's a chance they could say it's one of these few numbers, one of these several numbers and they might be able to narrow it down. if they can, the commanders have to make a decision and that is, and you got right to the point of it, maybe we ought to keep this close. if we can narrow it down and i.d. the guy, we want to do that without notifying the world. if they can't identify him within a reasonable amount of time, they are going to have to gain public support by showing that photograph by showing who that guy is. >> michael, what do you have on the cell phone? do you know anything? have you got any sources on this? >> reporter: no, but i would think they would need to recover the cell phone to trace it to an individual. i think it would be hard based simply on the tower because, remember, there were a lot of people in that area during that time. that's a lot -- and my assumpti
if it takes a few years longer. >> mr. cavanaugh it seems to me because of modern technology and the fact everyone on earth seems to have a cell phone with them, camera with them, recording device, we're getting a jump perhaps. when you see a picture of a bag sitting in front of a storm fence and then you see it taken directly after the explosion and you see the smoke rising diagonally, anybody watching that can see how it's moving off to the upper left, you've got a pretty interesting lead to take a look at. how does that kind of information sort of pops on to the screen from an amateur do to the investigation? >> chris, it's a tremendous value to the investigator. there were many bombings over 3 1/2 decades. we had no picture at all. so you had this bombing, bombings, that was done in the crowded city center for the purpose of theater, terrorism theater. you had worldwide media. you had everybody with their electronic devices in the digital age. there's going to be pictures of the bomber. so when you're in command of a case like this, sad as the case is, it sure can be helpful to you to
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of ongoing debate we've had for years with facial recognition technology and how much of that we aught to be having in this country which raises all sorts of civil liberty questions and big brother questions. i think this episode that we've witnessed just this afternoon could become a very big factor in that debate about facial recognition technology in this country. >> i think you're absolutely right. i think as we see things up fold, it'll spark a number of larger debates but i was wondering, michael, do have you a sense of a time line when this information came to law enforcement, when they figured thought was a significant lead, where we are in that time line now? >> it was a eureka moment when they found the video of from we lef that lord & taylor store a couple lhundred yards from here showing the individual dropping off the bag. that was not something they had yesterday. from all our sourcing, through last night, through this morning. there were no breakthroughs. so my guess is they got that at some point early today. and it filtered up and they matched it up with the video from
you identify -- do you look through mug shots? how do you find that person? >> the technology has improved tremendously in terms of facial recognition technology and they are using that matching images on video at the scene to any faces that might be in databases and running that to see if there's any sort of match. another way is, okay, here's an image that we've got. let's go back to others who we know that were at the scene and who were at businesses nearby and show a picture. that would be routine police work that is done. that's many, many aspects and i'm sure there are others that they are not going to talk to us about as they attempt to track down who planted these devices. >> help me here because all the time we're talking about union station or 30th street station in philly or anywhere, there's a big stein and an announcement. why don't they let the people see the person and say, i know this i goo, i know this woman? i assume it's a guy. >> that's part of the debate that's been going on all day today as you look at the mess that went on this afternoon with some of the bad
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in technology from 9/11. pete william was discussing that on our show. the three terabytes of data that they say they have. that's 3 trillion bytes, the library of congress get that over several weeks. in technology circles, what they call crowd sourcing being used to try to take the communal desire to do something and to help catch whoever these perpetrators are. and yet from your experience on these issues, what can they do to speed up that process? that is an enormous amount for investigators to go through. is it not? >> it is. i think if this was just the boston police department, as good as they are, that would be an overwhelming technical matter. because we have the resources of the federal government, i think this is going to be able to be handled a lot easier than it otherwise would have been. it is just a matter of processing it. one of the good things about the age we live in, not only do people have phones that they're taking pictures. there's a the love data embedded in those pictures. time information, other sorts of information about where the mobile phone was. so there is a lot of
, as much as possible with technology and the cameras that were all around that scene. >> i think one of the authorities this morning described this as probably one of the most heavily photographed areas in the country yesterday. just because of this event going on. and they hope with so many lenses pointed and so many different directions, somebody somewhere got something that will be of investigative value. so what they'll try to do with the videos, to the extent that they can, match them up in terms of time. so that they are all registered. so the frame, as you go frame by frame, you're moving in the same time dimension. you're going a second ahead in each one at the same time of day. and then they'll try to look at still photos and try to line those up as well, hoping they can see something there that maybe people weren't aware of at the time. >> all right. pete williams, thank you very much for the latest information on the investigation. let's to go kris jansing. she is at a crime scene focused on about 12 blocks. we've just gotten confirmation of the name of one of the other pe
in this age of technology that they're able to get so much incoming information from so many different sources. on the other hand, as you say, you then have to make sure that you are whittling that down to the right sources of information. >> that's right. in this case on the video front and the photographic front, they've got a huge advantage. they know where the explosions were. you can actually work out from there. krou don't know where the videos and photos came from the public. but in terms of buildings, once you have a picture of anyone suspicious, you move out and you, you know, rapidly moving circles. how long would it take if someone was walking? let's look at that video camera. you try to piece this together. that's what what was done by the british officials after the bombing on 7/7 in 2005 and they were fundamentally able to track them all the way back to their homes. >> kevin, we just learned today the name of the third tragic fatality in this bombing. ling si lu, a graduate student from china studying statistics at boston university. i don't need to tell you the emotions around t
that, there were huge leaps in technology and biometrics and facial recognition system. i can imagine now the state-of-the art is that much further along. i'm sure it will be a big part in helping identify. >> when we talk about this mounds and mounds of evidence, it's really two different crime scenes essentially. we had two bomb sites. are they treating each of these independently or look for commonalities between the two? >> absolutely on the commonalities. think of it in terms of one major crime scene, death scene here, with some of the best technicians in all of law enforcement anywhere. going over the scene meticulously. typically starting in the peripheral and then working in in concentric circles. i'm sure technicians are still there at this point. >> all right. you know, i want to talk a little bit about how these guys are putting this case together because obviously as they're gathering the forensic evidence, at some point there has to be, you know, we're talking about potentially there may with suspects identified or certainly persons they're interested in speaking to. at s
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governments in rural governments spending hundreds of millions of pounds. these technologies are not costless. they have to be evaluated in the balance of the entirety of the law enforcement budget and the government budget. and ultimately, if we are spending money on surveillance cameras, that we possibly don't need. if we have enough. we might be taking police off the street. we might be putting roads in disrepair. we could be taking money from the schools or raising taxes. these technologies are not costless. they're not costless in terms of the budget or civil liberties. >> thank you for your time. greatly appreciate it. now more on the investigation and the aftermath. let me bring in congressman keith ellis, the first muslim elected to congress. first i'm sure you've heard the news that dzhokhar tsarnaev has been charged with using weapons of mass destruction in the boston marathon attacks. we're reading through the charges. learning more about what the fbi seized from his room. they described a large pyrotechnic, a black jacket and white cap. the big concern in addition to his brother's
, not if, when bad actors get their hands on the same technology that we have, and use it in terrible ways, we really lose our ability to lean on our allies and world bodies and ask them to sanction or punish these bad actors for an unaccountable drone program when the mantra of our drone program is what drone program, right? >> if you have a program that is operating in the shadows, eventually you're going to have problems with it. right now, we use drones primarily as we've been about by the cia to kill al qaeda members. and i use that term loosely. sometimes these are al qaeda affiliates, people inspired by the same goals as al qaeda. well, other countries eventually will have armed drones and they can be using them against human rights activists. and we won't have a lot of moral ground to stand on. if we've been operating in the shadows. it goes back to 9/11. 9/11 happened. it was a horrible incident and the united states wasn't exactly prepared to deal with it. the military had plans for conventional war. didn't have plans for defeating a stateless organization that was more or less b
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that can go on as well with the way that this is developing. >> what kind of technology do they have that -- that could help them with this? i mean, when you talk to any investigator, any district attorney, they talk about the effect of television programs where the technology is so much more sophisticated than in real life but what about things like facial recognition? >> well, i think that's key. agencies like immigration and customs enforcement and customs and border protection are huge in a case like this because they might be able to tell you about something, if there was reason for some person to be a foreign visitor or foreign traveler, but facial recognition software, you know, when it's in certain places, airports or some place, can be upheld, but you don't know how somebody might have come or could be a local person so it's only limited. the more value is the digital age. if that praf is photograph is pn everybody's iphone, on the national media and everybody starts calling in. everybody starts calling in. i think it's my uncle freddy. i think it's joe down the street, and
technology, it's the only way to track them. if we invested what we should've in the air traffic system, we would have -- may not solve all of chuck's problems, but a much faster, flowing system. >> by the way, if you modernize it, you can cut back on some of the workforce permanently and save money there. that's the other issue. it's very labor intensive because of the issue that steve just described. >> before we go to break, the president is dining tonight with members of the senate, all women, isn't that nice? >> that's great. >> chuck todd, thank you. we'll see you at 9:00 on the "daily rundown." >> i'm surprised that didn't get ugly just then. >> right. >> that's great. >> we went to counseling. >>> up next, steve rattner has charts on signs of a spring slowdown. more "morning joe" when we come back. but i wondered what a i tcustomer thought? is great, hi nia... nice to meet you nia, i'm mike. what do you drive? i have a ford explorer, i love my car. and you're treating it well? yes i am. there are a lot of places you could take your explorer for service, why do you bring it back to t
's hard to say. it's a technology that is of interest to terrorists who want to make their own bombs of any stripe. >> but does it look, when we think about a formal terrorist group, and the sophistication that it would use, does this lend itself to that style of sophistication? i mean, when we talk about pressure cooker bombs, it seems kind of crude. >> yes. so my guess is that this probably is a do-it-yourselfer kind of individual or individuals, perhaps a small group. either one that was inspired by al qaeda or perhaps neonazis or anti-government patriot groups who have been known to act on patriots day. so the date of the attack suggests that we not overlook the possibility that this could be an american anti-government group. although the type of bomb has most recently been attempted by american jihadists, allegedly promoting al qaeda's vision. >> it still leaves a lot of people wondering where the lead is going to come from that's going to start the investigators on the right trail to find whoever did this. our thanks to dr. jessica stern. thanks for being here. i appreciate it
about and propaganda that targets accomplish speakers. i would warn that this technology as you implied is something that is very well-known in domestic circles as well on a variety of websites. although we commonly see it in the al qaeda world, we don't think it's distinctive enough to draw conclusions at this point. >> do you get the impression that the person who made this bomb is trying to cover their tracks? meaning this is not somebody looking for attention, but covering their tracks because they want to do it again or covering their tracks for another reason that they are trying to stay in hiding? >> i think so. i think the lack of a plan of responsibility from outside the u.s. and international terrorist groups or at least of lack of a credible claim starts to make one suspect more and more as hours and days pass that this was an individual or a group operating solely here in the united states. that doesn't tell you if it's anti-government and a domestic group and inspired by al qaeda, but as time goes on, a lack of a plan of responsibility from overseas, you do have to look mor
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time, you could argue that it means a decrease in personnel. because you're using technology, using cameras to replace, you know, eyeballs. but i don't think we've come to that determination. we're down -- the police department is down 6,000 police officers than where we were 11 years ago. so we've already sort of paid the price. and we're using to a certain extent technology to plug the gaps. we're increasing the number of cameras that we have. one of the things that we're doing, we had it in motion prior to the boston marathon. but we want to increase the number of mobile cameras that we have so we can put them up at events and then move them to other events. along our marathon route, we have 220 cameras. but most of them are on bridges. we want to increase at least the public sector cameras that we have along that route. >> all right. new york city police commissioner, ray kelly, thank you very much. it's always good to see you. >> thank you for the great job you keep doing for the city. >> thank you. >>> a new book on afghanistan that's not so good. president hamid karzai had to
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and the technology to isolate these photographs. >> all right, former fbi profiler clint van zant. we just want to bring viewers up to speed on where things stand right now. a number of developments. a tremendous amount of activity over the course of the last few hours and here's where things stand at this time. one of the suspects in the boston marathon bombing is dead at this time. one of suspects at large. that suspect was referred to as suspect number two, shown in photos wearing the white cap and fishlts say that he's believed to be armed and dangerous. they're advising the public to use extreme caution and advising massachusetts residents to stay indoors and not answer their doors. a human toll here, one police officer was killed overnight in a shootout with this man. story. stay with us for more. >>> good morning. lester holt in watertown, massachusetts, after a dramatic night, the two men suspected of carrying out the marathon bombing in boston on monday have apparently led police on a wild chase, a shootout. this morning, one is dead, another is at large. place here in watertown tellin
. equipped with thermal imaging technology so they could use essentially the suspect's heat register, they could tell there was a live body inside that boat. they knew there was then a reason to go in. ultimately it was the hostage rescue team of the fbi that tried to talk him out of the boat. he was described as noncommunicative, presumably talking didn't work. we don't know how they got him out. there was exchange of gunfire. shots were fired at the boat at that time, but they don't know if that's where he got the wounds. since he was covered in blood when he first pulled back the carp, imagine that when they remake the movie of this, they presumed he was wounded from previous exchange of gunfire last night, although it could have been somebody else's blood, we don't know. they don't know if he was hit again. described as being in serious condition. apart of being asked if there might be other assailants, if there might be people on the loose that pose a threat to the people of boston, the answer from police commissioner was not a direct answer, but he said sort of vague terms he b
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? >> they can do dna analysis in 75 minutes. technology advanced tremendously. i have another question. i heard in early reports that there was military-type explosive that they found on the street. if that's true, the question is how did these two people get ahold of this level of explosives. not everybody has access to that type of high explosive. that's another unanswered question. >> michael, any insight into that? >> i know i sound like a broken record, but in these situations, false reports and misleading information is just a multitude of it. >> excuse me for a second, a reporter on the scene is getting pushed back. let's listen. >> they won't let us up there. >> back out. >> i can't say exactly where kerry is except in watertown, but he was near what was yellow crime tape before when he was reporting for the area. clearly in what seems to be a frantic way, they are moving them away from this area. james fox would tell you obviously they have an ongoing situation right there. we are hearing kerry now? >> and then as you know as we were starting to talk and i was beginning to give that sc
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